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Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14444	Posted - 2016.08.19 12:58:45 - [1] - Quote Anyone who understands that CCP promises you nothing and CCP owes you nothing (beyond 30 days game time in exchange for 15 bucks) is bound to be happier than the OP. This is the same kind of post as you get when CCP re-balances some ship that someone "invested many hours getting good in!". CCP never said they wouldn't change things or go back on things previous ccp 'administrations' said. Geckos anyone? If you don't like this reality, stop giving them money. That is your only recourse.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14444	Posted - 2016.08.19 13:11:50 - [2] - Quote Discordia Duenna wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Anyone who understands that CCP promises you nothing and CCP owes you nothing (beyond 30 days game time in exchange for 15 bucks) is bound to be happier than the OP. This is the same kind of post as you get when CCP re-balances some ship that someone "invested many hours getting good in!". CCP never said they wouldn't change things or go back on things previous ccp 'administrations' said. Geckos anyone? If you don't like this reality, stop giving them money. That is your only recourse. No it's nothing like that. Nothing at all. Skilling is not an activity, it's a passive accumulation, ships skills and competitions are not even the same ball park. Stopping giving them my money, doesn't help me engage with the problem. I love EvE Online, I'd work harder to change it than just walk away from it. You are just another customer. No amount of chirping on a forum is going to change anything. Hell, you can't even be sure anyone from CCP even read what you posted, and as you can see from the replies, you haven't even garnered anything like overwhelming support for the issue you raise. Life offers 2 choices, try (usually in vain) to change other people into something you think they should be or govern yourself better (in this case, don't spend so much of your precious and irreplaceable time on earth chasing imaginary ship blueprints) because all you can really control is yourself.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14444	Posted - 2016.08.19 13:21:34 - [3] - Quote Discordia Duenna wrote: I disagree. I have started many student schemes and projects, been published in books, changed the lives of many people and managed to get communities to turn their political votes on their heads, where you see pointless effort, I see a niche, a problem to solve. Sometimes this approach leaves me exhausted, but I have created change and I don't shy away from impossible challenges, I relish them. Not surprising in the least.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14445	Posted - 2016.08.19 14:52:57 - [4] - Quote None of this is about achievements. It's about a player who put too much time into a thing that most of us who PVE in this game knew from the start wasn't worth it, who then feels cheated because he hasn't gotten his reward (in a game where it has always taken a long time for the developers to hand out rewards) and because that reward might become available in other ways (ie he's just like the not-smart people who horded gekcos "because CCP said they wouldn't make anymore!!!"). When informed that his problems are entirely self-inflicted because of his entirely unreasonable worldview and some really bad expectations, the OP responds with nonsense about social change and whatnot. This is why people like the OP will suffer these self inflicted wounds forever, they spend loads of time complaining about what others (CCP in this case) do instead of taking the tiny fraction of time to concluded that they missed something and should probably not repeat that mistake again. I stopped replying to the OP as soon as he started spouting that "changing people's lives" BS, you can't talk sense to a crusader, because the crusade is how they judge themselves (so asking them to see a different perspective is asking them to question themselves, a non-starter if ever there was one).
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14446	Posted - 2016.08.19 14:59:54 - [5] - Quote Major Trant wrote: [quote=Jenn aSide] THEY MADE MORE GECKOS? More than they said they would lol.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14446	Posted - 2016.08.19 15:31:03 - [6] - Quote Discordia Duenna wrote: Self-inflicted wounds...hmmm...I'm sure we all have some of those. I won't be running an event like this in eve again, to the best of my knowledge, but I did enjoy it. I have learned from all my mistakes in life. If you knew the event wasn't worth it, then why are you letting CCP continue to make "not worth it events". The last time I checked, CCP actually does listen to it's playerbase, sure it can take ages and ages, but they get there in the end and certainly not because of people giving up on issues they have with mechanics or features. I just can't share this defeatist attitude. I didn't "let" CCP do anything, I'm just a customer, like you are. Folks like you seem to think players have more control than they do, which is why they end up dissapointed with things like the CSM whereas folks like me (that know what the term "advisory board" really means) didn't. You can't be dissapointed when you know something has no real power. That said, after Frostline I did post and tell them that they were making a mistake moving away from the Crimson Harvest template for events. CH was a smashing success, Frostline less so and Shadow the worst of all. I post them a couple times, then i shut up because , at the end of the day, i know that CCP doesn't owe me anything beyond the 30 days of game time i pay for every month.. No one "gave up", some of us are simply a lot better at understanding that not every situation needs to manipulated by some self appointed 'change agent' type (who isn't asking for change for everyone else, but it mad they didn't get some super lucrative imaginary spaceship bpc yet). To the unrealistic person, adhering to the realities of the situation and learning from the past (CCP is not great at events, I applied that knowledge to Shadow and knew it would be a waste of time) somehow equates to "defeatism". You have much in common with the folks who are still talking about WiS years after the fact of it's demise.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14486	Posted - 2016.08.25 13:02:19 - [7] - Quote Discordia Duenna wrote: Dibz wrote: 16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour. This sort of focus has rewarded me in a variety of objectives in life. Applying it to a game for fun is no different, unless you regard games as something to be ashamed of participating in. I might add that I have phases in life where for several months I get by on 3 hrs sleep a day. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's bad behaviour. History is replete with people spending their time this way for all manner of pursuits. Neurotypicals always seem to be confused and/or disgusted with this behaviour. I can sleep when I am dead. Also it was 18 hrs not 16 hrs. Not sure why people keep saying 16 when I clearly said 18 hrs edit: (I think I said this elsewhere not in this thread. I rounded down to 450 hrs as the first 2 weeks was not 18 hrs a day, it was more patchy). The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14487	Posted - 2016.08.25 13:17:30 - [8] - Quote Discordia Duenna wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further. neurotypical -înj-è+Ör+Ö(-è)-êt+¬p+¬k(+Ö)l/ adjective not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour. "neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one" We know what it means, which means your malady isn't your fault. Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14487	Posted - 2016.08.25 13:27:46 - [9] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Discordia Duenna wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further. neurotypical -înj-è+Ör+Ö(-è)-êt+¬p+¬k(+Ö)l/ adjective not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour. "neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one" We know what it means, which means your malady isn't your fault. Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless. You need someone to read your posts for you. You are exactly what you are talking about. Maybe, the next time you use the word "projection" you should, for once, think through yourself! People give the very same advice about you for a reason! I'm not on any spectrum, I'm simply saying that I should have figured it out sooner (the clues were there, and I know how much MMOs attract people with these issues, issues they don't create for themselves). The clues were there but I ignored them, won't happen again. The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14488	Posted - 2016.08.25 14:04:57 - [10] - Quote Dibz wrote: 16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour. Next week there is a pve townhall meeting, I might bring up the issue of these types of events of people who are susceptible to some really bad effects. Despite all the hurf blurff going on in this thread (much of it I think isn't really genuine), I think CCP might take a bit more care with how grindy these things are and how much they reward compulsive behaviors. Sure Crimson Harvest, Frostline and Serpent had some good affects on the game, but as we see here they may have some bad effects on a few people. As players I don't think we should be supporting that.

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